Cheating with scripts/software


Hello,


As mentioned in the private message you received, cheating is one of the reasons that encouraged us to adjust the AP system.

It might seems marginal but cheating is present everywhere in the game.

After the modification, we took the time to list cheating behavior and wanted to let you decide what to do. Either we give a general warning to players using scripting and/or software before checking their account again OR apply a direct sanction.



Preventing cheating is one of our priorities for Howrse as it refrain us to be more generous with players.




 


Best regards,

The Howrse team.





cailow
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Poll

I voted that players should be warned first. I have been suspended a few times without any warning (I hadn't done anything against the rules mind you) so that is a must. Immediately sanctioning someone without warning is quite extreme. If Howrse warns players that what they are doing is against the rules, they have a chance to either stop doing it or explain to Howrse that they aren't going against the rules.

It will be a welcome change, thanks Howrse!default smiley (l)
jiemba
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"Give a first warning before rechecking the account" seems to be the fairest option and what I will vote for as they have wrongfully sanctioned account in the past. Once your account is gone your chances of getting it back are extremely slim and trying to dispute it with contact us is basically useless as "they have many reliable tools to help monitor and control situations like this" and even when and if you have proof that you did not do what they are saying you did they will still not listen.

I had my international account receive a 30 day ban and docked 5 karma points for multi-accounting, the funny thing is my 2 teammates who had their accounts deleted for being my supposed multi accounts live in the UK and I live in Australia!! we offered to send in photo ID with proof of address to prove we were 3 different people living in different countries & if they cared to look we had all, unfortunately, spent thousands of dollars on the game so not only was I apparently awake 24 hours a day running 3 different accounts over an 8 year period I also had multiple bank accounts in different countries like seriously default smiley xd
ladylovelylocks
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Thank you Ꭷᴀsɪs. for your reply.

I am hugely impressed with your 'over 11000 AP's'.

I thought I had a lot but only have 4000 !!!! default smiley :d
huey
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Josey jojo, I agree with you that the wording will sway results as everybody's confused as to what is and isn't cheating (which Howrse should probably clear up in a message to everyone, but probably won't).
It is funny in how they keep going on about banning or deleted players who cheat (and I'm sure they do ban/delete those players, and how people who cheat will always try and find a way around whatever rules). But it really seems from an outside perspective that nothings really being done (I mean I haven't really played since about March or so). I mean it seems like a lot of talk and no action (and plenty of warnings for cheaters)
cle0004
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cle0004 wrote:

But it really seems from an outside perspective that nothings really being done (I mean I haven't really played since about March or so). I mean it seems like a lot of talk and no action (and plenty of warnings for cheaters)


What we as players do not get to see is what is being done behind the scenes. Having run my own forum for many years I can tell you that it can be like a kitchen made for 2 chefs being run by 5 chefs. Not helter skelter but busy for sure.
freehold
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I have to say some of this is all a bit confusing! I was aware of the discussion some time back about multitabbing ect. And some things were cleared up for players that opening a few tabs were not a problem. However i had forgotten all about that conversation and don't recall any changes to aging points happening and I don't think I have noticed a change, but I probably do not look after enough horses to notice that change either. The statement about multitabbing being a problem, did throw me a little again, as like most players I do use multiple tabs when uni breeding or may have a couple open when trying to do more than one thing at once and make better use of the time I have...such as bidding on a horse while still training another or answering a message and not wanting to close down the horses page to goo and answer the message.... I get that all that is ok. But I do think as others have said, maybe howrse needs to be a little more clearer on some of the areas of concern, such a linkclump (have no idea on how that one works!). As was mentioned above saying its not actually banned, but 'be reasonable in use' could be open to interpretation. I think it would be better to just be clear on how much is too much or say its not to be used at all, then there is NO confusion. I had never even heard of linkclump before or even some of the methods such as ctrl click to open the tabs,you learn something new everyday! lol... I just click on the plus sign at the top of the page that says 'new tab,' , and go from there... I admit I am not too tech savy- but I get by.default smiley (lol)

As far as warning players or not. I think for blatant/deliberate cheating I think maybe there has been enough warning. Surely a player who is using scripts etc by now would know they are doing the wrong thing? I don't know, but there is probably alot of grey areas where maybe a player is not certain or needs to be able to explain if something appears to be 'not within the rules' with their game. I think in these cases a warning is appropriate and a little time to change what they are doing if they are doing something 'wrong'.
horsestar
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"- Players using multi-tabbing can be impacted as this method is not part of how Howrse was designed."

Yes it was not also specified with things like the bonus from our Shenma Divine, that if we work them at the same time every day and subject to the time of day that we play that we may only see the bonus once every 5 weeks. You think the cash people spent is a gift for the fancy artwork? Many only invested so much due to the various bonuses these horses provide. So if somebody is working at close to game update time and works out they need to speed things up a bit to maximise the aging points bonus then I suppose even I would be tempted to open 200 horses with 7 minutes left before clockover, if you think that fits your description of cheating then I guess it is those players that feel cheated that "Occasionally, when it wakes up, it can trigger the following bonus:" means 7 or 8 time each year..

I read just now some of the posts on the international game of players that were not aware of players farming aging points, to support the things they want to do on a daily basis. Well with my current game-play then this is not going to be an issue. Maybe you can make something so we can opt out of the weekend advertising without avoiding the game on those heavily advertised weekend events.

Don't expect that I will be playing this competitively again.
If the originators of this game had never intended people to use the tools at their fingertips they would have designed the interface with arrows left and right rather than clickable links on a page view of horses.

I see this as the same More Money attitude that caused my wife to quit after some
Seniority: 3,094 days on the international version and no longer here after coming across at the beginning of this server.
hamr
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huey wrote:

I have never opened another tab, like Rommy I didn't know what this is or how to do it.

However, I have gained a huge stock of ageing points over time and in a totally legal way.

I am now worried that I look like a cheat because I have a stock of ageing points in the thousands.

I very much hope that honest players aren't somehow caught in a trap and have our ageing points taken away.

I just hope that they do know who is cheating and who is legitimate.


Unless you are actively running scripts/automation in order to skirt the rules, there isn't any reason to be worried. Having a large stock of Aging Points is great, and will never be something we warn/sanction players for. We've thoroughly investigated the accounts of the players who are genuinely cheating - we're talking players that are completing actions at impossible speeds for a human. Innocent players won't get caught up in this, we're only interested in putting a stop to the blatant cheaters
pillow
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Frozen In Time wrote:

Maybe apply the direct sanctions when you can actually agree on what you deem as cheating?

So much time is spent on ruining regular gameplay (pass horses, AP farming, buying fodder, and now multi-tabbing) to stop “scripting” when the team could actually fix things that have been broken from day 1.


E.g. The AUS server is still a day behind on some features, such as Isis perks. Half the objectives are unattainable on this server, such as winning a rosette (esp. for western breeds), buying xxxx breed/species, etc.


We understand that things don't always run the smoothest on the AU server, and we know that this isn't ideal. The timezone does make it pretty tricky but I'll pass this comment along to the rest of the team on your behalf and see if there's anything that can be done default smiley :)
It's hard to imagine just how much cheating can affect a game's economy/player-base/overall experience but it can have a really negative impact. The only ones who benefit from this are the cheaters themselves, while our hardworking and honest players pay the price - literally, in many cases. We're trying to put a stop to this on all 26 servers to make the game more equal
pillow
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Ꭷᴀsɪs. wrote:

Well, for a start, I never realised that opening multiple tabs was cheating.

I often filter my horses based on boarded in a centre and not already bedded down, then open horses into new tabs. Why has this not been made clear that it's supposedly cheating? If that isn't allowed, you should be able to use the arrows between horses to go between horses fitting the same filter option.


Opening multiple tabs is not cheating. If you're opening huge numbers of tabs automatically at the same time. this wouldn't be recommended. But having multiple tabs open at once really is not an issue at all.
pillow
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cle0004 wrote:

cindyntx I think people are confused about the message sent to players where it says

" We want to slow down the industrial gameplay that some players can have.
- Cheating using scripting and software encourage this change.
- Players using multi-tabbing can be impacted as this method is not part of how Howrse was designed."

Essentially this says the same thing twice, but when they said multi-tabbing many people got confused to what it meant and thought manually opening several tabs at a time. Still poor communication on Howrse's part, its important to communicate in a way where people who aren't all that great with computers can understand what is and isn't allowed


I apologise if this wasn't clear enough - I can definitely see how it could be a bit hard to understand. I assure you that we're only interested in putting a stop to the excessive rule breaking, we aren't looking to make life harder for the average player. I hear your concerns, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you (or anyone else) have on the matter, either here or in Contact Us default smiley ^)
pillow
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I'm sorry to be negative, but to now be getting clarification from the team about what this is all about is a lot like shutting the gate AFTER the horse has bolted. This information should have been clear from the start, then maybe the voting poll would be a lot different to what it is now due to players fears of being accused of cheating when they have not, having multiple tabs open at the same time for example has been the biggest issue/misunderstanding for most players.

But the fact still remains, why didn't Howrse act on these cheats immediately instead of asking the players to vote on the punishment and therefore give these cheats another opportunity to get away with 'cheating'. So does that also mean multi accounters are now going to receive a warning instead of being automatically sanctioned as has been in the past? You can't have one rule for one form of cheating and another rule for other forms, you must be consistent!
josey jojo
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Josey jojo wrote:

I'm sorry to be negative, but to now be getting clarification from the team about what this is all about is a lot like shutting the gate AFTER the horse has bolted. This information should have been clear from the start, then maybe the voting poll would be a lot different to what it is now due to players fears of being accused of cheating when they have not, having multiple tabs open at the same time for example has been the biggest issue/misunderstanding for most players.

But the fact still remains, why didn't Howrse act on these cheats immediately instead of asking the players to vote on the punishment and therefore give these cheats another opportunity to get away with 'cheating'. So does that also mean multi accounters are now going to receive a warning instead of being automatically sanctioned as has been in the past? You can't have one rule for one form of cheating and another rule for other forms, you must be consistent!


Yes; but there were also a lot of players who Hadn't cheated, and they were getting their accounts shut down. SO I think we need to find a balance.default smiley :)
lipizzan
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Yes, exactly, I was one of those accused when I was innocent.
That's what I'm saying, if they're going to give warnings to players who are continually cheating by scripting, then they should give a warning to someone they think might be multi accounting, because not everyone who is accused of it, is doing it.
josey jojo
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