[Info] Blup and training tips

This thread is intended to help those who are having problems training/blupping their horses and to help streamline any training methods which possibly need tweaking.
If you have any training programs that have worked for you, please feel free to post. Knowledge shared is knowledge learned default smiley ;)

BLUP - Best Linear Unbiased Prediction

Why is BLUP so important?
BLUP is a genetic indicator. It plays a role in reproduction because the BLUP of the parents has an impact on the potential of the foal at birth. The higher the blup, the better quality foals will be reproduced, therefore the best quality foals will be produced from 100blupped parents.

Basics of blup - any horse
~ Horse to have top 3 GP skills bolded. This is done by training, rides and entering competitions that coincide with those skills.
~ Horse to win 20 comps - any combination
~ Horse to be at least 10 years old.

In terms of points gained for blup:
All foals are born with around -100blup. This means they need to gain a full 200 points to achieve +100blup
~ Your horse gets 130 points for completed training in its best three gp skills, this includes rides and comps., the skill must go bold before this requirement is met.
~ 40 points for reaching the age of 10
~ 30 points for winning 20 competitions.
All these points are gained over time a little each day until your horse reaches 100

Training tips for specific breeds are welcome
 
dragoniys
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2014 05:28:28
train in stamina last and then enter in XC comps with fully trained dressage and jumping, then you'll win a decent few. works for my KWPNs who are low in stamina but high in speed jumping and dressage.
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@ Luthien, that's fair enough, though I suppose it'd be easier to blanket Western Pleasure competitions with Akhal-Tekes/Connemaras, etc. than to enter XC competitions. I managed to BLUP a 500GP Gypsy Vanner this way default smiley :)


Blegh, NO way. Connies and Tekes are meant to be Classical horses, since trying to bold jumping in Western is a right pain in the rear end. I've done it before, and it took way longer than it needed to get all 3 skills fully bolded.
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By Retired breeder, 14th December 2014 22:39:54
@ Luthien, I generally enter XC competitions to bold, then enter Western Pleasure competitions for comp wins. Of course that means you have to pause training/rides/whatever you're doing 5 years 6 months-ish to enter your 25 XC competitions, switch specialties, finish your training/rides/etc., then get your wins.
The system I just described however assumes non-VIP status; obviously it'd be easier for the VIPs to BLUP this way given their ability to change specialties whenever.
By Retired breeder, 14th December 2014 22:54:16
In regards to bolding jump using western competitions... I've used a few of my purebred (~360GP) Connemaras as experiments. It's easy enough to do 5 Trail Class competitions a day - using the following method;

Put to bed
Groom
2 hrs meadow
Trail Class competition
Feed (12 fodder and 10 oat)
4 x Trail Class competition
Stroke
Carrot

Of course doing 6 competitions in a day proved more problematic. I managed to pull it off using an EC *with* showers;

Put to bed
Groom
Drink
Trail Class competition
Feed (12 fodder and 10 oat)
5 x Trail Class competition
Stroke
Carrot

The energy deducted for each competition was between 18-20% - I used un BLUPped, low GP horses in case this also prejudiced the energy deducted for each competition. Also, I don't have any high GP horses with that skillset default smiley (lol)

I also used ponies because they eat less fodder and oat than their horse counterparts, making the system more easily translatable for horses (as the energy gain is higher when feeding horses).

Using a system like this it is entirely possible to get your 6 competitions a day done and to bold jump in a matter of 4-5 ageing points. Given the max amount of competitions I've ever entered in a day isn't much more than 6 (7 in fact), using Trail Class competitions shouldn't take significantly longer than using XC competitions to bold jump.

Let me know if I'm in the wrong here.. default smiley :-x
I'll just assume your math is correct, since I really don't feel like checking it myself. default smiley ;)

I dunno, I guess it just feels longer to have to split up the BLUP'ing between 2 types of comps when it can easily be done with just XC comps. That, and it seems like my ponies do better in XC comps than in Trail Class comps because trot isn't involved.
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By Retired breeder, 19th December 2014 06:12:12
So, just a quick question, once a horse has 100 BLUP, does more training affect the offspring at all? Like, if I got my horse to 100 BLUP, but it was only trained in it's top 3 skills, would turning it in the other skills have any benefit to the offspring?
I don't believe it would, because on the coverings page, all the info it says on a horse is Blup, Breed, GP, and the horses name. It also says the breeders name after you click on the horse you want. But going by that I think all that counts is the BLUP and GP.
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Retired breeder wrote:

So, just a quick question, once a horse has 100 BLUP, does more training affect the offspring at all? Like, if I got my horse to 100 BLUP, but it was only trained in it's top 3 skills, would turning it in the other skills have any benefit to the offspring?


Nope, the only 2 things that matter for breeding are the GP and BLUP of the parents. Obviously, the top 3 skills need to be fully bolded in order to reach 100 BLUP, but other than that the other 3 skills have no impact on the offspring.
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By Retired breeder, 19th December 2014 06:23:14
Ok, thanks.
I know the IBS formulas are common knowledge, but here are some easier ones to work with:



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By Retired breeder, 9th January 2015 21:35:41
Does anyone have any tips on how to best BLUP Akhal-Tekes with Classical Specialty?
Retired breeder wrote:

Does anyone have any tips on how to best BLUP Akhal-Tekes with Classical Specialty?


Yes, since Tekes are just like Connemaras with their skills. If you're working with a low GP'ed Teke, do forest rides until no more skill gain, then complete dressage/jump training. Once that's done, enter XC comps until jump/dressage bold, then switch to mountain rides for stamina, and obviously do stamina training until it bolds. If you still have some wins to get, train up speed a little bit, then enter gallop/trot comps until you get 20 wins, age to 10 if necessary, and you've got it. default smiley (y)
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By Retired breeder, 10th January 2015 22:44:44
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Thank you Luthien Tinuviel default smiley :)default smiley :o
Could someone tell me the way to BLUP Curlies? Classic and western please
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By Retired breeder, 16th January 2015 01:09:49
Any tips for Arabians?
By Retired breeder, 18th January 2015 22:18:20
Does anyone have a sort of daily routine for Shetlands (Classical)? She is immortal and has Morpheus Arms so it doesn't matter how long it takes (within reason).
Low GP'ed Shetties: do forest rides first until no more gain, train up dressage and jumping, and enter XC comps to bold said skills/get a few wins. Once bolded, do mountain rides until no more gain, train up speed, then enter gallop/trot comps until speed bolds; keep doing that until you get your full 20 wins, age to 10 if necessary, and there ya go.
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By Retired breeder, 20th January 2015 06:48:25
Luthien Tinuviel wrote:

Low GP'ed Shetties: do forest rides first until no more gain, train up dressage and jumping, and enter XC comps to bold said skills/get a few wins. Once bolded, do mountain rides until no more gain, train up speed, then enter gallop/trot comps until speed bolds; keep doing that until you get your full 20 wins, age to 10 if necessary, and there ya go.


Thanks a heap Luthien! default smiley :d
Hi!

Does anyone have an up-to-date BLUPing routines for Arabians and Knabstruppers? Because I am struggling a lot.

Thank you! Your help is very much appreciated!
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By Retired breeder, 28th January 2015 05:07:19
I was wondering whether anyone had a good purebred spanish horse BLUPping schedule??? Thanks!
By Retired breeder, 9th February 2015 05:24:22
Train the main skills, then, enter in comps. Enter in comps after training in 1 or more skills.
Retired breeder wrote:

I was wondering whether anyone had a good purebred spanish horse BLUPping schedule??? Thanks!


Cutting comps are your friend for BLUP'ing. Since stamina is the primary skill for that comp, train up speed and dressage first to keep stamina as low as possible. If I'm remembering correctly, PSH's have higher speed than stamina, so that should also help you. Finish forest rides first for the dressage boost, and enter cutting comps until dressage bolds (the other 2 skills will also be done at this time). Switch to a mountain EC (make bolding waaaay easier), finish up mountain rides to bold speed, then train in stamina until bolded. Enter Western Pleasure comps for the remaining 20 wins, age to 10 if necessary, and there you go,
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My Mustang Uni is fully trained, in the western catagory and bolded in most his skills but I have a few questions.

Why is it that trot and jumping aren't bolding? (I've tried competitions)

How can I pull of more competition wins to BLUP?
I just can't do it. There always seems to be a horse that's better than me in every comp I enter, even in rookie competitions.


Thanks. xx

Link to Horse: http://au.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=1245665
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It says that trot is bolded, have you completed the rides for jumping?
Also, for lower skilled horses I find it easier to bold in two skills for a competition and leave one low to keep the competition difficulties low so you're more likely to win.
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Oh well. thank you, ill remember that for next timedefault smiley :)
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