[Info] Blup and training tips

This thread is intended to help those who are having problems training/blupping their horses and to help streamline any training methods which possibly need tweaking.
If you have any training programs that have worked for you, please feel free to post. Knowledge shared is knowledge learned default smiley ;)

BLUP - Best Linear Unbiased Prediction

Why is BLUP so important?
BLUP is a genetic indicator. It plays a role in reproduction because the BLUP of the parents has an impact on the potential of the foal at birth. The higher the blup, the better quality foals will be reproduced, therefore the best quality foals will be produced from 100blupped parents.

Basics of blup - any horse
~ Horse to have top 3 GP skills bolded. This is done by training, rides and entering competitions that coincide with those skills.
~ Horse to win 20 comps - any combination
~ Horse to be at least 10 years old.

In terms of points gained for blup:
All foals are born with around -100blup. This means they need to gain a full 200 points to achieve +100blup
~ Your horse gets 130 points for completed training in its best three gp skills, this includes rides and comps., the skill must go bold before this requirement is met.
~ 40 points for reaching the age of 10
~ 30 points for winning 20 competitions.
All these points are gained over time a little each day until your horse reaches 100

Training tips for specific breeds are welcome
 
dragoniys
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By Retired breeder, 25th June 2016 02:35:49
What I find weird when BLUPping my Arabs....

1. Some of my Arabs will win in gallop for 60% of their 60 wins, while others will win 60% of their wins in SJ, XC, Trot, Dressage is rarer, but one of my horses wins Dressage 75% of the time.

I train them all the same, but this still happens for some reason.default smiley :-x
Haha! I managed to offer 7 coverings in a day with my stud. Was just a fun experiment to see if I could do it default smiley (lol)
tearsong
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Just after soom help/advice on bulping a foundation Shire?
Cheers,
Outback
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@Outback

I honestly think the only way you will get wins with a shire foundie is to fill competitios, unless you want to filter all your competitions you enter?

Train in the top 3 skills (check the gentic tab for the highest number or the training bar with the arrows), do lessons daily, not only its 2× the amount of money but adds skills.

Thats the best I can give you but surely someone else will know default smiley :) if your stuck PM someone who has managed to bulp a heap and breed them, generally players are happy to help.
char char 20
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WHats a good BLUP schedule for horses in general
wish upon a star
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Outback wrote:

Just after soom help/advice on bulping a foundation Shire?
Cheers,
Outback


1) Fillers. All of the fillers. Make a filler army if you're trying to BLUP foundies. Your little foundie will get curb stomped if you don't put in a filler, especially if it's an original 350 GP foundie.

2) Bonuses. Throw as many onto your foundie as you can. You can beat a higher skilled horse with enough bonuses.

3) BLUP parties. If you can, get 2 other friends together and have a BLUP party. You send them a list of the comps your BLUP'ing horse + filler are in, and they'll provide the remaining filler horses. It's a lot of friends, but you have to move fast.
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after a long period of ignoring them I am finally beginning to work my ...I guess you would call them trophy horses. They will all be immortal and I have an army of fillers, so 20 wins will happen eventually....even though most of their GP/Skills is close to foundie 350GP.

I am not familiar with western comps, but knowing classical there are some breeds that don't seem to fit any classical comp well. I just want confirmation that these are the breeds that fit better in western:

Highland Pony
Argentinean Criollo (though they seem possibly good at SJ)
Irish Hunter
Curly (though I have another foundie who was epic at dressage...but a long time ago)
Brumby
Icelandic horse

thanks
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Mesotablar wrote:

I just want confirmation that these are the breeds that fit better in western:


Not too sure about the other breeds but certainly the Brumbies are a perfect fit for barrel racing competitions. default smiley :)
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Mesotablar wrote:

I just want confirmation that these are the breeds that fit better in western:

Highland Pony
Argentinean Criollo (though they seem possibly good at SJ)
Irish Hunter
Curly (though I have another foundie who was epic at dressage...but a long time ago)
Brumby
Icelandic horse


I have just checked and below are the breeds of horses and their best competitions.

Highland Pony - Cross Country*
Argentinean Criollo - Cutting
Irish Hunter - Reining*
Curly - Cutting*
Brumby - Barrel racing
Icelandic horse - Cross country*

*horses do not have a competition that perfectly matches their top three best skills.
mabley
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Thanks, I shall keep those in mind

about Curlys though, my old girl was insanely good at winning dressage comps, is that no longer true for lower GP Curlys?
mesotablar
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I would argue to try western pleasure with curly as opposed to cutting though.
Because you don't want your top skill to be the skill that determines your competition level for blupping, it just makes your life hard. Since WP takes trot as top skill and the stam and dressage as second and third, it will allow you lower difficulty comps and higher chance of winning.

Dressage could work for curlies although their gallop is super low so it isn't strictly ideal.

I don't know if this is a personal preference thing, but don't you get wins by entering in comps that require low skill and have the other 2 skills be insanely high?
e.g: get wins for TB in trot comps.
This is why you don't train your horse's top skill until after you get wins too, because you get to see easier comps.
tearsong
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hi everyone i was wondering if someone could tell me how to get the wins on this horseStorm
tara224
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Tearsong wrote:

I don't know if this is a personal preference thing, but don't you get wins by entering in comps that require low skill and have the other 2 skills be insanely high?
e.g: get wins for TB in trot comps.
This is why you don't train your horse's top skill until after you get wins too, because you get to see easier comps.


I thought about this for a long time (and my internet cut out for a few days) but yes to the question. You want the competition requirement skill to stay low so you can enter easier comps, and the higher your other 2 skills used for the comp the more likely you are to win. But you say "top skill", that is misleading as you are ultimately trying to fit a horse to a competition and the horse's top skill might not be the competition requirement skill but rather one of the other skills that just help you win.
I'll see if I can work something western pleasure and cutting for my curlies to see what works better


@Tara224
Finish training speed. Do all the mountain rides if you haven't already, maybe even do some beach rides and move skill from trotting to either dressage or speed. Then without training in trot any further enter some trotting competitions and see what happens. You could also try cross country, but don't train in stamina. I would say don't touch your trotting or stamina skills until you have your wins.
mesotablar
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Tara224 wrote:

hi everyone i was wondering if someone could tell me how to get the wins on this horseStorm


bold his third skill and then enter in rookie comps. a sure way to win comps is get two friends and get them to enter low skilled horses into the same comp as your horse. filling is a great way to get wins
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Hi There,
I just started breeding Connemara's and wondering what the best way to blup them and what comps to win for

Thanks default smiley :)
justinbieber4life
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@ justinbieber4life, have you tried checking through some of the previous pages? I believe there are some tips hinted at on pages 17 and 18.

Here and here default smiley ;)
dragoniys
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What is the best competition for a horse with the top three skills of dressage, trot and stamina?

Thank you. default smiley :)
mabley
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Mabley wrote:

What is the best competition for a horse with the top three skills of dressage, trot and stamina?

Thank you. default smiley :)


dressage: dressage, trot, gallop
cross country: stamina, dressage, jumping
showjumping: jumping, speed, dressage
gallop races: gallop, speed, dressage
trot races: dressage, trot, speed

someone can correct me here as i don't fully understand all the skills yet (but am working on it), i would probably go with dressage & trot as they both have 2 of the top skills and then cross country also has two as well
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hi everyone should i make this horse western or english i am thinking western because of his skills Prince Zorro
and this lady as well Princess Reborn
thank you for the help
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Any breed can do well in any specialisation - it boils down to how the horse is trained.
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Hi all,

I was browsing this forum on the International server, and came across the following piece by sharkettelaw, dated 13 May 2017.

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*** Feed amounts for foal games only: Add 3 to whatever the game tells you to feed. So, for example, if you are told to feed your foal 6 fodder then give it 9 fodder (6 + 3 = 9).***

8 months: groom, play for 1 hour, carrot, feed, play for 7 and a half hours, stroke, water
10 months: groom, play for 1 hour, carrot, feed, play for 8 hours, stroke, water
1 year: groom, play for 1 hour, carrot, feed, play for 9 hours, stroke, water
1 year 2 months: groom, play for 2 hours, carrot, water, feed, play for 9 hours, stroke
1 year 4 months: groom, play for 2 hours, carrot, water, feed, play for 9 and a half hours



If your horse's genetics make its best classical event showjumping (e.g. kwpn, Australian Pony, Hanoverian, Shetland, morgan) or trot (e.g. Peruvian Paso, standardbred) then try this:
* forest rides
* dressage training
* jump training
* speed training
* trot competitions
* gallop competitions
* gallop & trot training
* mountain rides
* cross country competitions
* stamina training

If your horse's genetics make its best classical event gallop (e.g. thoroughbred, quarter horse, paint horse, marwari, appaloosa, psh) or cross country (e.g. Gypsy vanner, arabian, shagya arabian, Canadian, donkey) then try this:
* mountain rides
* dressage training
* speed training
* trot competitions
* gallop competitions
* forest rides
* showjumping competitions
* jump training
* gallop & trot training
* cross country competitions
* stamina training

If your horse's genetics make its best classical event dressage (e.g. Lusitano, Friesian), then try this:
* mountain rides
* gallop & trot training
* dressage competitions
* dressage and speed training
* showjumping competitions
* jump training
* forest rides
* cross country competitions
* stamina training

If your horse's genetics make its best western event barrel (e.g. mustang, fjord, paint horse, marwari, psh, thoroughbred) then try this:
* forest rides
* dressage training
* jump training
* stamina training
* western pleasure competitions
* reining competitions
* trot and gallop training
* mountain rides
* barrel competitions
* speed training
* trail competitions

If your horse's genetics make its best western event cutting (e.g. Argentinean Criollo, arabian, gypsy vanner, morgan, Canadian) then try this:
* forest rides
* dressage training
* jump training
* trot training
* trail competitions
* mountain rides
* reining competitions
* gallop training
* speed training
* cutting competitions
* stamina training

If your horse's genetics make its best western event western pleasure (e.g. Tennessee Walker, hackney, Friesian) then try this:
* forest rides
* jump training
* stamina training
* dressage training
* reining competitions
* gallop training
* mountain rides
* barrel competitions
* speed training
* western pleasure competitions
* trot training
* trail competitions

If your horse's genetics make its best western event trail (e.g. Nokota, friesian, kwpn, knabstrupper) then try this:
* mountain rides
* forest rides
* jump training
* trot training
* trial competitions
* dressage training
* stamina training
* reining competitions
* gallop training
* barrel competitions
* speed training

If your horse's genetics make its best western event reining (e.g. quarter horse, marwari, thoroughbred, gypsy vanner, Irish hunter) then try this:
* mountain rides
* forest rides
* jump training
* trot training
* trial competitions
* dressage training
* speed training
* cutting competitions
* stamina training
* reining competitions
* gallop training

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