[Info] Blup and training tips

This thread is intended to help those who are having problems training/blupping their horses and to help streamline any training methods which possibly need tweaking.
If you have any training programs that have worked for you, please feel free to post. Knowledge shared is knowledge learned default smiley ;)

BLUP - Best Linear Unbiased Prediction

Why is BLUP so important?
BLUP is a genetic indicator. It plays a role in reproduction because the BLUP of the parents has an impact on the potential of the foal at birth. The higher the blup, the better quality foals will be reproduced, therefore the best quality foals will be produced from 100blupped parents.

Basics of blup - any horse
~ Horse to have top 3 GP skills bolded. This is done by training, rides and entering competitions that coincide with those skills.
~ Horse to win 20 comps - any combination
~ Horse to be at least 10 years old.

In terms of points gained for blup:
All foals are born with around -100blup. This means they need to gain a full 200 points to achieve +100blup
~ Your horse gets 130 points for completed training in its best three gp skills, this includes rides and comps., the skill must go bold before this requirement is met.
~ 40 points for reaching the age of 10
~ 30 points for winning 20 competitions.
All these points are gained over time a little each day until your horse reaches 100

Training tips for specific breeds are welcome
 
dragoniys
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I've never understood everyones obsession with BLUP schedules. Surely it's pretty much the same for all breeds, maybe differing on a GP level.
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To settle the dust consistently surrounding how BLUP affects GP gains, here is an explanation and a more in-depth info-graphic explaining it all.

To summarise, IBS calculations only take into account half of the 200 BLUP points, namely the last 100 positive BLUP points. Now, since any two horses that have an average BLUP higher than -100 give some GP gain, all 200 BLUP points are being taken into account for GP gain.

The above has been shown to be true after tests involving over 500 horses at a variety of GPs, and the final conclusion is that a BLUP such as 70 for both parents will result in a foal that can only attain at best 85% of the maximum GP gain.

A lot of people have come to the wrong conclusion that 70 BLUP gives maximum GP gain, but without testing hundreds of horses it’s very difficult to get a solid idea on the accurate GP gain at a particular GP, thus it’s harder to notice the difference between 85% and 100%.

Feel free to copy this image, and credit as necessary.

sasstraliss
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Below is a concise compilation explaining the nearest approximation of the formula for calculating GP excluding the random variance. Above is the formula for how BLUP affects GP gain, which you will see included in the full GP gain formula.

This formula may be familiar to some, however a concrete explanation may serve well for future players and this post can be referenced when the subject is raised in the gameplay forums.

I mention in the below info-graphic theories that are 'incorrect' and or 'inaccurate', and I do this as a form of comparison to state that the inaccurate/incorrect formulas are too limited and or don't include the relevant factors in their calculation.

All of the information presented below has been thoroughly researched over the course of 4 months, and thousands of horses have been involved in the project spanning multiple servers. The statistics of these horses were used to create the formulas and concepts discussed below, and the final approximation of the GP formula as given below has been very accurate in predicting the average GP for an unborn horse, based on the factors mentioned. Deliberately, random variance is left out because it's not known to be calculable. This investigation and presentation on the GP approximation formula has been confirmed by multiple individuals across multiple servers.

I hope this information is useful and informative. I have made some GP calculators online for anyone interested so you don't need to type in the formula.

sasstraliss
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Well hello there Sass, good to see you again. default smiley ;)
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Luthien Tinuviel wrote:

Well hello there Sass, good to see you again. default smiley ;)


'Ello Luthien. It's sure good to be back on the forums. default smiley ^)
sasstraliss
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Sasstraliss wrote:

I've never understood everyones obsession with BLUP schedules. Surely it's pretty much the same for all breeds, maybe differing on a GP level.


You're pretty much right. In all honesty, the trick to BLUP'ing is getting all 20 wins, which can take quite a while.
luthien tinuviel
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What would you specialise a Gypsy Vanner in , western or classical?
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Classical all the way. You can do Western, but it'll take longer to get all of the gains for St, D, and J, whereas in Classical you can stick them in XC comps and do it all in one fell swoop.
luthien tinuviel
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Thanks Luthien!
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By Retired breeder, 13th July 2015 07:19:53
I hate doing the 20 comps, I keep getting 2nd and 3rd place. Any tips?
By Retired breeder, 14th July 2015 02:25:41
Fillers are a good option. Put the horse you're blupping, a much lower skilled horse, and then rope your friends into filling the other 3 places.
Otherwise, try and do comps where the primary skill (eg. trot in a trotting race, stamina in XC, etc.) is very low, and the others are high. Safe bets are to train dressage and speed, and then to do gallop, trot and show jumping comps as the primary skills for them (gallop, trot and jumping) will be untrained and therefore much lower. You'll be in quite easy comps but with high secondary skills - helps to win. default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 14th July 2015 04:52:55
Woah.......... Sasstralis ,you left me way behind! LOldefault smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 14th July 2015 04:53:59
I have found that the main comps that Akhal tekes tend to win are showjumping and cross country
Building on what Finwe said, BLUP parties are a fantastic way to get all 20 wins in in a timely manner. All you need to do is team up with 2 other friends, pick a time/day to all be on at the same time- you'll provide your BLUP'ing horse + a filler, and they'll provide the remaining fillers. Doing it this way, you can easily get all of your wins in under a year, plus it's fun!
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By Retired breeder, 15th July 2015 07:01:03
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Luthien's right. default smiley :) It's worth organising a BLUP party with your friends honestly, and you'll find a lot of other players are super willing to help out with something like that. default smiley :) It's fun, interesting, and social. default smiley :)
My starter Akhal-Teke specializes in Western riding, and I got the 20 wins no problem. Would that be because she has all the items that we get when we do the tutorials?

(The general gist of what I've read is that Western is bad for AT's and getting the 20 wins is a problem. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me!)
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It's not that specializing in Western is "bad" for Tekes, it's just that it takes longer than when they're Classical due to their skill sets. Any horse can do well in either specialty- I've certainly BLUP'ed enough Western Connies to know that- but it does take a little bit longer for horses whose distribution of skills doesn't perfectly match up with the Western disciplines.
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By Retired breeder, 23rd July 2015 04:45:47
Does anyone have an Arabian Blupping Schedule
Oh ok, thank you for clearing that up!
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By Retired breeder, 2nd August 2015 03:18:52
I have two 'foundation' Shetlands and I just can't get the 20 wins..default smiley :(
Does anyone have any fillers or some tips or SOMETHING to help me out?

Cheers!
By Retired breeder, 16th August 2015 06:30:37
Hi, my horse is 13 years old has won 20 gold trophies (+ numerous silver and bronze) and has finished training but her blup is staying at 98.16 why is this???? i so confused! is there anything I've done wrong?default smiley :(default smiley (n)
Retired breeder wrote:

Hi, my horse is 13 years old has won 20 gold trophies (+ numerous silver and bronze) and has finished training but her blup is staying at 98.16 why is this???? i so confused! is there anything I've done wrong?default smiley :(default smiley (n)

You finished rides?
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By Retired breeder, 16th August 2015 08:07:21
i have high GP knabs but my highest is 20+ years old and isnt 100% BLUPPED am i doing somthing wrong??
Retired breeder wrote:

I have two 'foundation' Shetlands and I just can't get the 20 wins..default smiley :(
Does anyone have any fillers or some tips or SOMETHING to help me out?

Cheers!


If you look back a page or two, you'll see that I've posted a nifty guide to BLUP'ing foundies.

Retired breeder wrote:

i have high GP knabs but my highest is 20+ years old and isnt 100% BLUPPED am i doing somthing wrong??


GP and BLUP are 2 separate things. Have you completely bolded the top 3 skills (finished up training AND rides AND no more gains from comps)? Have you gotten 20 first place golden trophies?
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By Retired breeder, 1st September 2015 05:59:30
HI guys, what style of riding would you make a brumby? Western or Classic?
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